ENCOURAGEMENT TO A CHRISTIAN HEAVENLY ETERNAL VIEW
Relative Time Creation
What is the difference in time in heaven and time on earth? Does God always relate to His creation with time?
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Possessing this attribute of Light explains how God the Father experiences time much differently than mankind. Man now in an elementary way  is just beginning to understand the science of light and its relationship to other domains God created. This knowledge comes by study of God’s substitute lights He has placed in creation in this dark world in place of His glory.
As Albert Einstein studied light in the early 20th century, he theorized with mathematical equations how motion at the speed of light existed without time. In the hypothetical equation it seemed that as the variable for motion approached the speed of light the value of time approached zero if all other variables were held constant. Einstein speculated this "zero" must mean nothing or no time. Many theorists still today, based on theories of General Relativity concepts, believe before the light and expansion of the universe there was no time. In a Bible based creation paradigm it probably means final equality with the time of God. Instead of existence with "no time," in God the Father’s presence creation exists one in velocity, gravity and location experiencing time the same as God the Father.
Apart for the light of the glory of God the Father time is now relative. The term "relative" is an apprehensive word for many Christians since primarily used in debate for several decades in moral decision making. Yet the term applied to creation should not alarm students of God’s Word to man. The creation does not make moral decision. Further it is easily established all measurements of attributes of the creation are not absolute under all conditions of change. By relative is meant specific definition and determination of values in measurable attributes depends on the value of other attributes. God’s creation is interrelated to other parts of the creation. No descriptive variable for time, space or matter is independent or unaffected by the changes in another variable. There always exists a Divine balance where if something increases then something else decreases so that the sum of the whole is constant. Thus the time difference between two objects changes relative to differences in other natural variables in creation such as gravity, location, and velocity. In this age God in great wisdom due to sin set in motion....
Relative Time Creation
Relative Time Observationally Proven
It is an easily proven fact that many of the variables used to describe the world are relative from different points of view or locations. This knowledge proven true over and over is called the "Law of Relativity." The law concludes from observations of the world that values for velocity, gravity, location, and time as relative to the point of view of an observer.
Consider for a moment some simple examples of this law. Velocity changes value depending on where the observer is located in relation to the point observed. Amazingly while sitting here at my desk I am traveling 200 miles a second. The statement just made is true or false based upon where the observer is located that is measuring my velocity. At present a person next to me watching me sitting at my desk would describe me at 0 velocity and a tall liar of sorts. However a person at a stationary point in the atmosphere of the earth would find at my present location north of the equator that I am traveling about 825 miles per hour due to the earth’s spin. Another observer at a point outside this galaxy would find relative to the orbit with the earth around the sun I am speeding 20 miles per second. Funny how God made it so my hair doesn’t blow back. Now hold on tight! Relative to the galaxy zipping through the universe a fellow outside the universe would measure that I travel 200 miles per second. Gravity is relative as well. I weigh 200 pounds on earth but a mere 33 pounds on the moon. Following the Law of Relativity time is relative also. No where does God’s Word to man say anything about God not possessing the attribute of time in relation to His creation.
Relative Time Experimentally Supported
Apart for the Bible man is slowly gaining more knowledge about time within this great universe. Time along with space and matter is one of the three fingerprints of God in a creation that God says demonstrates His divine nature and eternal power.
Physics shows there are associations between energy and mass, as well as time and space. Applications of these theoretical equations that describe mathematically our universe speculate that in motion at anything less than the speed of light, time exists in a proportional relationship to the light energy. This means simply the faster traveled in velocity the less time passes.
Applied experiments have thus far affirmed some of these elementary conclusions. Atomic clocks can be set in motion at different speeds and directions in the atmosphere. Amazingly the time of these atomic clocks will be different showing that variation in motion through space affects time. Today the study of this phenomenon of times relativity in the scientific realm is called "time dilation."
The Apostle Peter told his readers this truth of time dilation and relative values of time in God’s creation nineteen centuries before these theories of current physics. He told his "dear friends" if they were to interpret correctly God’s relationships to His creation they were not to forget this basic premise of the Kingdom of Heaven. Since God is Light it should be no surprise God’s time is different from our time. Man now lives at a rate of energy and motion that is much slower than God’s substitute Light now seen, which may or may not equal God’s Light. Remember light in our universe travels about 186,000 miles per second. Einstein speculated the only constant in our universe is the speed of light. However recent experiments show light can travel faster than once thought through different mediums. So the substitute light of this universe still fails in comparison to the Light of the Glory of God and His domain. Since this domain in a different location separated from the Father, Peter knew to understand God’s creative plans past, present and future his "dear friends" needed to know God operates in relative time.2 Peter 3:8 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. NIV
Moses over one thousand years before the Apostle Peter after learning of the current different dimensional patterns of the Kingdom of Heaven was the first to write of this difference in the time of man and God. It is speculative that his time with the Lord on the mount in the clouds of God’s presence was different from the actual forty days of time gone from man’s historical perspective. No doubt Moses pondered his experiences with the Lord in the Tabernacles application, perhaps noted the different time lapse for the people of Israel while on the mount, and remembered the experienced fearful inability to see God's Glorious Light. The "backside" Moses was allowed to see was probably a view of the eternal past of the Lord that symbolically pictured His glory which no man could see and live. From whatever Moses saw and experienced, from his observations He concluded God both as "everlasting to everlasting" and viewing creation from a different perspective of time.Psalms 90:1-490:1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, Thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were born, Or Thou didst give birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God 3 Thou dost turn man back into dust, And dost say, "Return, O children of men." 4 For a thousand years in Thy sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night. NASB (Emphasis mine)
David is another who understood the greater meaning of the Tabernacle service. In a Psalm is recorded the following thoughts. The Apostle Paul by use in his phrases to follow shows he as well understood the concept of relative time.Psalms 84:10 10 For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside. NASB
Each of these witnesses above by the Holy Spirit compare time with time with or in the presence of God and not time of God. Time cannot be compared with God since God has no time. So where else besides this creation is there something that God created that is in His presence that continues in a relationship of time that gives the opportunity for comparision? What about creations which are in "heaven"? Where are those angels which did not fall and leave their inhabited home? Do not in the pattern of the Tabernacle the Cherubim overlook the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies? These writers are sharing that the creation in the fellowship of God's presence of light in heaven operates in one aspect of time, while the temporary dark creation of this age operates in another aspect of time. Time in the current creation of the Kingdom of Heaven is relative.
Remember from chapters In Beginning and Who Turned Out the Light? the concept that the Father looks down from the Holy of Holies of the Third heaven dwelling in Light was briefly introduced. Fallen creatures were placed in a dark creation while those that remained faithful remained in God's presence of the Third Heaven. A chart in the next chapter In Six Days - The First Earth will show in simple mathmatical terms how God slowed time from the previous remaining creation (Hebrews 9:11) to the new dark creation. More will be said of this in chapter The Tabernacle Not Made With Hands. As often shown in Scripture the Father looks down from a heavenly perspective at this dark universe. At a higher level of energy and Light means God’s activities in heaven’s time traverse a shorter period than that of this universe. We find this unilaterally true in the many inspired comparisons God gives of time relative to Himself and this world.
No where in Scripture are we actually told time had a beginning, time will end, or that God does not experience time in relation to that which He creates. These ideas are interjected into translations of God's Word by man. While God, in His trancendental nature may be beyond time seeing all time at the same instance as the chart attempts to show below, throughout His Word time is an integral part of His promises of eternal life to man in Jesus Christ.
As already noted in chapter Everlasting to Everlasting the Father has been an active creator for unknown ages of time eternity. Such creative experience is even easily demonstrated in the creation of this current age. God promises, while this creation is temporary and will pass away, His Word will never pass away. His creation can depend on the surety of His promises over time.
While the attribute of eternity in timelessness is an incommuniable attribute we cannot share with God, time is actually a forgotten part of communiable attributes of God's Divine nature which He chooses to reveal to us and shares in a relationship with us much like attributes of goodness, mercy, jealousy and more. Any attribute of God, while all the while existing in God, can only be viewed or known by comparison to something other than God Himself in some relationship. Since there is only one God, apart from that which God creates nothing could be known about Him. Consider any Divine attribute and note apart from creation the attribute cannot exist. For example how can God be omnipresent or everywhere at the same time if there is no where beyond Oneself to be? How can God be omniscient or all knowing if there is nothing beyond Himself to know? How can God be omnipotent or all powerful if there is nothing else in existence to have power over? How can God be immutable or unchanging if there are no boundaries of creation around Himself to test change? Finally how can God be everlasting to everlasting or forever existing with unchanged past, active present and predetermined future if there are no unchanged historical actions from the past? Without His creation God is just God and nothing more. There would be no "all" or "ever" - just God alone acting within Himself. It is the creation-relationship that defines God for who He is.
Thus through out God's Word there always exists a
time-creation-relationship. In this time creation-relationship the promise of eternal life in Jesus Christ actually was
made between eternity past and the beginning of this present age. The literal
phase telling us this is found in two places of Titus 1:2 and
The translators not understanding the ages of ages of eternity before Genesis 1:1 stumbled with many variations over the phrase "pró chrónoon aiooníoon" or literally "before times eternities" used by the Apostle Paul. Note neither word "beginning" or "world" is found in the text but were added for either understanding or interpretational bias of the meaning. The Holy Spirit inspired description of actions in God's time-creation-relationship were purposely written out since not understood at the time and thought to be contradictory terms.
The King James Authorized translators familiar with religious debates of the day over predestination rather than translate the phrase properly chose to place the time of the promise "before the world began." This harmonized with God's omniscient foreknowledge of all things even before creating this world. The ages upon ages of God's creative activity before this decision were ignored due to blindness of the nature of God and eternal time.
The most textually accurate of the translations is the American Standard Versions of 1901. The issue of God and time was not present in 1901 with the translation of the American Standard Version. Believers of the early 20th century predominantly saw God as everlasting to everlasting over the ages.
However the advent of the ideas of a short term creative tenure of God influenced further changes in translation of the phrase. Translations of our current generations were designed to combat evolution and embrace Einstein's ideas of existence without time in his theories of relativity.Titus 1:2
Paul is actually looking backwards in time and saying our hope in eternal life came before times eternity past. Note the illustration line below. Going backwards in time the promise was before times eternity.
This plan of God devised in wisdom was kept secret from "times eternal" revealed completely in the gospel of the New Testament death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul, or if as possibly proposed an early Christian author added Romans 16:25-27, used a similar phrase in Romans 16:25 saying "musteeríou chrónois aiooníois sesigeeménou" or literally "of mystery to times eternities kept silent" again speaking of God's plan unknown in the eternal past ages. If truly these verses may have been added centuries later by another author as proposed by textual criticism it shows early Christians understood God as having an eternal past of time - a concept basically lost by popular Christianity today.
Thus the idea of a beginning of "time" springs from man's imagination. It is fed by interpretation bias from lack of comprehension of a limitless time of actions of God in relation to that which He has created. It denies the very Divine nature of God to interact presently with His creation while leaving the past unchanged and omnisciently knowing every detail of the future actions of that which was created. This time-space interaction will continue into eternity future and will never end. We will have eternal everlasting limitless life with unchanging past when acts are committed. A present action committed will always remain past unchanged as we make choices in the will of our God for all future.
Still many will turn to Revelation 10:6 to support the idea time in relation to creation ends with the coming of Jesus Christ to earth. Yet the implication is not that time will end completely for all creative relationships of God. If so how does Christ rule for 1000 years and how does 1000 years occur between the first and second resurrections? The implication is there is no more delay of time before the remaining judgments of God in the seven sealed scroll now little until it is all over and Christ rules. The last trumpet is about to sound as seen in Revelation 11.Revelation 10:6 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: KJV 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets." NIV
Relative Time Biblically Applied
Understanding that time is part of the Divine nature of God brings a different perspective to Bible interpretation. As one meditates on this current relative time difference between heaven and earth application to many Scriptures suddenly leap out with new understanding. For example note how in Scripture the Lord is pictured on His way in the Second Coming as even at the door. He is ready to come waiting for the Fathers signal.. This picture is true even though it has been almost two thousand years since His resurrection and ascension into the Holy of Holies of God’s throne. The Lord has not patiently stood there two thousand years. He in heavens time awaits a short period of the end of day six. As will be discussed a little further in this chapter and more in depth later He awaits the Father’s message that begins the "Day of the Lord."James 5:9 9 Do not complain, brethren, against one another, that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door . NASB Revelation 22:7 7 "And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book." NASB
In study of the Bible one finds God’s heavenly perspective of time is not absolute to man’s descriptors of time. A day is heaven is not absolutely a day on earth. Thus in Daniel God takes liberty to describe the unfolding of Gentile history and the decay of governments of man in weeks of years. Each week in Daniel is seven years. It is the seventieth week that so disturbed Daniel since it related to his people the Israelites. It described seven years of turmoil and God’s wrath before His people would come to accept Jesus as Messiah. While Daniel’s measurements given in His visions were not literal weeks of God’s time the revelations show God allows Himself views different than man when it comes to time.
Another example of time dilation between heaven and earth is seen in descriptions of what modern Bible students call the "rapture" and the coming of the Lord to the earth. Attempting to harmonize Bible promises of the second coming of the Lord apart from the time difference of God’s dominion and the earth has led to much of the confusion seen today about Bible last days prophecy before His return.
In the minds of those who forget Peter’s first principle in 2 Peter 3:8 the Lord leaves the throne of God multiple times to gather saints in multiple comings. Eschatological writings, sermons, and teachings predict gatherings at the beginning, during and at the end of the seven years of tribulation on earth in a merry-go-round plucking of saints from earth.. The debate as when and how many gets hot at times even to the breaking of fellowship. Entire large organizations are built on some of the more popular views. As one may read later in chapter The Gathering there is just one second coming. Once I asked my wife how many times Jesus comes at the second coming. She sarcastically responded "once" as if I was asking a trick question. By forgetting the time difference in heaven and earth scholars make it hard and complex to understand when it is really simple. Jesus comes once. The gathering or rapture prior and the coming to earth are both in a flash and moment in heavens time. The time between rapture and for Jesus to come in time on the earth will cover at least 1290 days and possibly up to seven years.
This variation in time explains why Scriptures that speak details of the gathering and those telling of the Lord’s coming to earth have all the same basic descriptors of events - trumpets, angels gathering people, voice of Michael giving commands, gathering in clouds of the second heaven and saints coming with Jesus to earth. There is no early gathering of all or faithful, later gathering(s) during the Great Tribulation and finally gatherings at the end when Jesus is on earth. They are all the same moment or flash in heavens perspective. Time is relative in our age and will continue to be so until all is one in Christ at the end of Jesus thousand year reign in the New Heaven and Earth.
Another incidence where time difference leads to flickering spiritual light bulbs of understanding is the promise of "the Day of the Lord" discussed in chapter The First Thousand Years. In Scripture it covers events both of the Great Tribulation and even the dissolving of this earth at the end of "that Day." The Lord upon coming will reign for one day of heaven time. How long will that be in earth’s time? Just one day of the Lord’s time will be one thousand years of reign from Jerusalem at earth’s time.
From heaven’s time God’s plan of redemption takes place over just seven days from beginning to end. From the time Satan made his decision to the execution of his sentence being cast into the Lake of Fire is just one week of God’s time. As shall be seen in chapter In Six Days - the First Earth man lives today on day six. Day seven is the Day of the Lord for his thousand year reign as a time of rest for saints and a Sabbath holy day of worship for Israel. The first day of the new week starts with a New Heaven and New Earth. Believers worship in assembly together on the first day of the week as a picture of the assembly future on the first day of the new week in heaven. The resurrection day of Jesus Christ was not accidentally on the first day rather than the seventh. Israel kept the Sabbath on the seventh day again to picture God’s fulfillment of preaching the gospel for the thousand year reign of Christ.
The implication of time variation even carries over into current awareness of deceased saints in matters of this earth. If I were to die today you were to die 40 years later in heaven’s time it would be just a moment and you would be there. The wait in heaven is not thousand of years for Jesus to return. His hand is at the door and saints by the millions continue to show up carried by angels to below God’s throne to the second heaven and the Father’s house. By the time they turn around one good time and take a glimpse or two it will be time to come with Jesus back to the earth for the Day of the Lord.
This chapter seems to be a good place to introduce the chart called Appendix 2 - The Fulfillment of the Times. The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Ephesus believers expounds on the heavenly blessings in Christ. In Ephesians 1:9-10 he sets forth a summary of the purpose of God in His administration or household management "to the fulness of times" to sum all things in Christ in heaven and earth. "Fulness" pictures the completion of filling up a container. The word for "times"[7,8] refers to seasons or unspecified measures of time. The picture shown is God in management or stewardship is filling up His household completing this over the season of this age.Ephesians 1:9-10 9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10 with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth. In Him NASB
Thus the chart pictures this season of God managing the Household of His Kingdom. In this completion of this season he fills His House with all things unified in Christ both in heaven and earth. There may be previous times or seasons to the left and many times or seasons in eternity future on the right to come as depicted by the arrows showing past ages and future ages.
The top of the chart is designed to show time from God’s heavenly perspective of "days" as he completes this fulfillment of the times. Each day of the Lord is labeled. Linear time in the Kingdom of Heaven of the Holy of Holies transpires in God’s plan. Man is created on day six as the summary of Genesis 1-2 describes. The Day of the Lord is day seven where Christ will reign for a thousand years of earth time. Day Seven begins with the Lord’s return and ends with the dissolving of all things present by shaking it into the New Heaven and New Earth on day one of the new week that begins eternity future.
The bottom of the chart shows man’s time as God designed by the spherical rotations of our earth. This is in relation to the sun in this dark creation apart from the glory of God the Father. As will be shown in chapter In Six Days - The Present Earth and Appendix 5 Seven Days of Redemption Chart the amount of time for each day in relation to rotations of our earth varies depending on the amount of creative energy injected into our dark universe. As God continues to create the time dilation comes nearer to heavenly time. The cold darkness without light of the world in Genesis 1:2 estimates day one at about 8 billion man years whereas the day of the Lord is about 1000 years.
The left side of the chart labels the three locations of creations of God in the Kingdom of Heaven as given by Paul to the Philippians. All creation will bow to Jesus but not all will be in the same location when this confession is made by all. Some are in heaven, some on earth and some under the earth.Philippians 2:8-11 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. NASB (Emphasis mine)
Throughout the chart pictures and captions highlight events of this season for God. Some pictures are in the legend at the bottom for some of the figures. As much as possible attempts are made to preserve the time difference in heaven and earth in the finite limitations of two dimensional drawing.
No doubt such a chart will be difficult to grasp by those indoctrinated in a timeless God and heaven. One should not forget existence without time as several hundred years of popular Christianity has espoused is certainly impossible even for God only because God chooses it so. Many things are impossible for God by His choice and character. For example, it is impossible for God to fellowship with sin due to His Holiness. We could list God’s chosen limits taught in Scripture endlessly. In God’s Word to man the attribute of time is always present as God interacts with His creation. Whether we like it or not God does have some chosen limits that accurately reflect His unchanging attributes. Many are to the benefit of His creation. Where would man be without the attribute of God’s everlasting to everlasting existence and His Word that shall never pass away for all time. Yet many want God to exist timeless. This author finds no Scripture supporting this long thought teaching about God.
As mentioned in chapter Everlasting to Everlasting God chooses to relate to all His creations with the attribute of linear time. In every domain and dimension of the Kingdom of Heaven a form of time must exist. Since God does have forward motion in actions that once committed are past unchangeable history He must have time. An action of God anywhere and anytime in His creation never ripples back with affects upon history past. What God does or chooses to do at will at the moment of the present may influence history future but never history past. If God the Father was completely disassociated with time He could change the past or the future in the same action because past action would be the same as present and future action. In this type of reality there would be no history of past events because past does not exist. No action would be secure or permanent. Events could be in a constant state of change. God’s Word would have no value as it passes away in erasure.
In a timeless reality God could change the weather to rain and keep King David off the roof on the day David saw Bath Sheba because God did not like the outcome of the resulting events. He could change circumstances to make sure Satan was not in the garden He had planted in Eden. Nowhere is Scripture are we told God changes a committed event or action of His past.
Therefore by God's own choice in the relationship He has to that which He has created time must exist if an action committed is unchanging in history past. If it were not so His creation could not trust in any of His actions as permanent or dependable. His Word would have no value to us. In an instant the potential of any promise could be erased by simply changing the events prior to the need for such a promise. The very nature of God depends on time always forever remaining stable and linear in relation to His creation. God’s very nature and character will allow nothing else if His children are to truly trust Him for what He says.
In the New Heaven and The New Earth once this creation is reunited through the completed work of Jesus Christ with God the Father – this time dilation between the creation and God the Father will no longer exist. This does not mean there will be no time, but that everywhere in God’s kingdom time will be one again with God through Jesus Christ.
End Notes: Achenbach, Joel. "The Power or Light." National Geographic, October 2001, pp. 4-31
 Odenwald, Sten. "The Big Bang was Not a Fire Works Display." Washington Post, Horizon Education Supplement. May 14, 1997.
 Schroeder, Gerald. The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom (Broadway, 1997), p. 52.
 Clocks run slower in strong gravitational fields. This was confirmed by Robert Pound and George Rebka at Harvard University in 1959, and by Robert Vessot in the 1960’s and 70’s using high-precession hydrogen maser clocks flown on jet planes and on satellites.  Hobson, Art. Physics: Concepts and Connections (Prentice Hall, 1995), p. 270.
 Clark, Adam. Adam Clark's Commentary, 1996, Electronic Database, Biblesoft Inc. "Supposing the word aioonioon (NT:166) in this verse to signify eternal, says Dr. Macknight, the literal translation of pro (NT:4253) chronoon (NT:5550) aiooioon (NT:166) would be, before eternal times; but that being a contradiction in terms, our translators, contrary to the propriety of the Greek language, have rendered it before the world began, as Mr. Locke observes on Rom 16:25."
 "times" kairos NT:2540 kairos, kairou, ho 1. due measure 2. a measure of time a. universally, a fixed and definite time: Rom 13:11 b. opportune or seasonable time: Acts 24:25 c. the right time: Matt 24:45 d. a (limited) period of time: (1 Cor 7:29) e. is equivalent to what time brings, the state of the times, the things and events of time: Luke 12:56
 "times" kairos kairos (pepleerootai), the preappointed period which according to the purpose of God must elapse before the divine kingdom could be founded by Christ, Mark 1:15; plural, the several parts of this period, Eph 1:10; Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database,2000, 2003, Biblesoft, Inc.
 Grudem, Wayne A. Systematic Theology : An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine. Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, Mich.: Inter-Varsity Press; Zondervan Pub. House, 1994., 172. Adapted from Figure 11.1: The Relationship of God to Time.